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i posted this at ilp too - but i know a lot of you arent over there so i wanted to share here too. Smile

1st paid session
1st senior
1st time i really really knew - this is what i wanna do. Biggrin

hhcc always welcome

TFL!

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I saw these on ILP. I love them, Katie! I really think that you have something that is completely unteachable and unattainable by the rest of us hacks. I have a feeling you will go far. Then I'll go around telling people that I sort of knew you before you were famous! Smile

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Your creativity blows my mind!!! Love these!

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WOW! Just..... welll.... WOW!!!

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Awesome!!!

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Very awesome! Love your creativity with poses and locations! I am SO jealous of the rose garden and gazebo!

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Im not digging number 2 but LOVE the rest of them. That girl is gorgeous!!

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These are amazing! As always, you are such an inspiration! Love your work. Smile

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These are so special. WONDERFUL senior job. I have to say - what I love most about this session is that you made the girl look beautiful, not sexy. I HATE that most senior sessions are about making the subject into a "hottie". I hate that parents pay for that look and are proud of it. Most of these subjects are 16-17 year old kids and should not be focusing on sexy at that point in their lives. I'm all for beautiful, though, and you really captured that here.

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"esti1423" wrote:

These are so special. WONDERFUL senior job. I have to say - what I love most about this session is that you made the girl look beautiful, not sexy. I HATE that most senior sessions are about making the subject into a "hottie". I hate that parents pay for that look and are proud of it. Most of these subjects are 16-17 year old kids and should not be focusing on sexy at that point in their lives. I'm all for beautiful, though, and you really captured that here.

You know, I hadn't really thought about that, but you are SO right!

These are so gorgeous Katie, I keep looking at them in your Flickr stream. I am just so amazed at your ability to always have the *perfect* composition to capture the moment. Your processing is so soft and lovely too.

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WOW. These are awesome! My fav is the last one. I agree with the pp on your creativity! Biggrin

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Great job! I especially love the third one, just seems so real! Your model looks like she was super comfortable with you and you seemed to have captured that wonderfully! Great job!

I agree about the sexy thing too...I love that you just captured her and didn't try to make her into a sexy teenager!

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You are so talented! I really love what you did! The comp and colors are gorgeous!

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Katie, the composition is great great GREAT on these. But the processing isn't really my cup of tea. There is something really strange going on with the contrast....the darks. I can't really put it into words, but it feels like there is there weird outline to everything. It's especially noticeable on 2, 4, 5, and 6. I love your work and I'm always stunned by your creativity, but I just see the processing so much. I see the processing before I see the girl. It's probably only because I'm a photographer....but I do wish the processing didn't pull my focus so much. I'd love to see your photographic creativity shine more and less of your processing work. You don't need post processing gimmicks. Your work is fab.

ETA: I sometimes feel like I'm crazy....so I just checked out to see what people were saying about these on ILP...and it struck me. Everyone loves them. Everyone talks about how much they love your processing...and that's what it is. I don't know if you really want people to love your processing. I don't know if we want people to see the processing or to just be struck by the picture. Don't know if I'm making sense. Yes, your processing is interesting...but it's just not making the picture more powerful in my opinion. It makes a consistent style, but for example...that picture under the pier. The amazing thing about shooting under a pier is the rich red and warm tones it brings to the photo...and your pier photo looks gray. It doesn't make reality better...it takes it away. I hope this isn't offensive to you. I really love your photography and think that in every way you are a much better photographer than me. But you have the ability to be AMAZING like the kind of photographer people write about....but I think you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

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"AmberBella" wrote:

Katie, the composition is great great GREAT on these. But the processing isn't really my cup of tea. There is something really strange going on with the contrast....the darks. I can't really put it into words, but it feels like there is there weird outline to everything. It's especially noticeable on 2, 4, 5, and 6. I love your work and I'm always stunned by your creativity, but I just see the processing so much. I see the processing before I see the girl. It's probably only because I'm a photographer....but I do wish the processing didn't pull my focus so much. I'd love to see your photographic creativity shine more and less of your processing work. You don't need post processing gimmicks. Your work is fab.

ETA: I sometimes feel like I'm crazy....so I just checked out to see what people were saying about these on ILP...and it struck me. Everyone loves them. Everyone talks about how much they love your processing...and that's what it is. I don't know if you really want people to love your processing. I don't know if we want people to see the processing or to just be struck by the picture. Don't know if I'm making sense. Yes, your processing is interesting...but it's just not making the picture more powerful in my opinion. It makes a consistent style, but for example...that picture under the pier. The amazing thing about shooting under a pier is the rich red and warm tones it brings to the photo...and your pier photo looks gray. It doesn't make reality better...it takes it away. I hope this isn't offensive to you. I really love your photography and think that in every way you are a much better photographer than me. But you have the ability to be AMAZING like the kind of photographer people write about....but I think you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

hmmmm i guess i see what you're saying... and i'm not saying my work is perfect yet.... i still have kinks to work out - i'm still growing. but in general, i respectfully disagree. the way is see it is that, well, put bluntly - i just dont want to process my photos like everyone else. what works for others - i feel like it's boring on me. for example, this client in particular found me on google and out of tons of photogs they looked at, they chose me BECAUSE they liked my style. in their minds, it set me aside from others who had great photos too. they liked the "look" of the images in my portfolio. and thats the type of client i want. and they are willing to pay a lot (relatively) to get my images, because they know they can't go to just anyone to get this "look" that they like. i had an inquiry a few weeks ago, the date they needed didnt work for me so i refered them to elsewhere, and they came back and said, "no, i want YOU, i like YOUR style". now, given, i may lose potential clients because some WANT a classic and more true to life processing - but i'm ok with that because for everyone who doesnt care for my "style", there's at least one who does - and they are EXCITED about it. so, i guess the bottom line is - yes... its different. but, *i'm* different, so its fitting. no, i dont think i'm shooting myself in the foot - i think i'm stepping outside the box in a way that makes me stand out from the mainstream photographer. maybe initially, i will not have as many clients as i would have, had i decided to stick with a more classic processing, but i'm 100% ok with that because i'm happy doing it my way, and my clients pay to get it my way. i can name at least 20 famous and successful photographers who don't have that mainstream look.... and in due time - i think i'll be able to name 21.

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Katie, I don't want you to get the wrong idea...this isn't about mainstream or non-mainstream look. It's about when what type of processing is appropriate for what. I normally love your processing choices...just not in this particular set. I don't think the processing done on these made the images better or more powerful. Often your choices do. I just don't want to see you get stuck in this "look" if it doesn't suit the image.

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Not to butt in, BUT Smile

As a consumer, if I hired Katie because I liked her past photo style, then I would expect that out of my session. If these clients sought her out because of her style then I doubt they want to be shown a bunch of cleanly processed pictures. JMO though.

And you might be interested in this article written by Audrey Woulard. It sounds very much like what you are saying Katie.

http://thementorblog.net/blog4.php?id=137

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Amber,

but - then how should i process them? you're saying you don't like my usual processing for this set...? who's processing should i use?

you said "The amazing thing about shooting under a pier is the rich red and warm tones it brings to the photo...and your pier photo looks gray. It doesn't make reality better...it takes it away. "

to me that means that i should be processing them more true to life... but that just isnt how *i* process images.

and i want to clarify i dont blindly run actions that have my "look" on all my images and hope it fits. i spend a lot of time on every image to make the processing fit the image. its ok to have the opinion that you dont care for the processing on these images. to each their own. but i really dont think i'm "shooting myself in the foot" or getting stuck in a look.

i could see if i was sitting around running lilyblue's honey on every image - but its very far from that. i have several actions that i've made that speed up my workflow and i customize each one each time and change it up to fit the image.

here's an example:

warm, beachy

light, romantic

warm beachy and slightly pinky romantic

to me, the pp fits those images. like, i said - i'm not trying to change your opinion on whether you like the pp or not - but just want to show you i did and do select pp that i feel fits each image.

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You are so creative, Katie. Thanks for sharing these. And can I just say your siggy pic is absolutely THE BEST... ever

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Nevermind...there just is nothing really to say. I can't possibly explain myself in an acceptable way. Starting to think I should stop offering HHCC.

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Amber, I think your cc is invaluable to this board but that doesn't mean that Katie has to agree with it. I think that you both have reached a point in your photography where cc can't be purely objective. As an artist each person has to take the advice and do with it what they will.

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I think these are beautiful Katie. Your processing is getting better, and reminds me a little of Gabe from Perspective Eye, the awesome wedding photog that posts on ILP. I know what Amber is saying, but I think that this is *you* and that's what your clients want. If you like it, then I say go for it. You obviously have the skills and talent to be making that choice.

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I didn't mention this earlier but I really like your new watermark. Or maybe it isn't new and I am unobservant. Either way, I like it.