I have a lot of friends on FB. I think about 99% of them know I'm into photography? I don't know, I'm just guessing
Anyway. There is one girl from HS that I just noticed in about the past week has said she's looking for ideas for a photography business name, has posted a few photos on there called 'Photo Shoots', and has now posted up fliers showing that she's doing mini sessions for fall and christmas cards. Prices are what I would consider 'professional'. I'm really excited for her for taking the plunge!! I hope it really works for her. My problem is that her photos are subpar (at least by my standards). Out of focus, chops, color issues, etc. Just very snapshotty in general. I'm in no way ragging her at all!! I'm excited for anyone that loves photography!
Well, I sent her a message on FB because I thought it would be nice to get together sometime and talk 'shop'. I told her about clickin moms and how great it's been for me. Well then she comes out with asking me to be brutally honest with her and give her my opinion on her photos and if I thought it was a good idea for her to 'take the plunge' into a business What do I say? I couldn't bring myself to be honest, so I said something like 'I think you definately have an eye for photography! Everyone has room for improvment (heck, look at me!). But if you have the customer base, go for it!!' Not exact, but pretty close. Any ways, I think I scared her off Should I have just told her the problems? I couldn't lie and say I loved her photos either!
Ugh! I just wanted a new 'photo' friend and now I'm afraid she won't want to be
Sorry for the ramble, just wanted some of you guys' opinion on the matter.
Everyone has differing opinions about photography and their skills, etc.
IMO I think you should have been honest with her - point her to the right direction.
This same issue has been discussed in so many levels in this forum and also in other forums such as ILP.
I think photography should be of the highest quality and this is the reason why I am not in business. I want to refine my skills and ensure that I truly understand what I am doing, etc.
There are so many as you say "subpar" photographers out there that charge to the Ying-Yang, which I think depletes the quality of the business. Maybe I am being a bit snooty but as I see it, many people just don't get the concept that there is a lot more involved it's not just I have a good camera and I can come up with good images due to that. At least in my experience.
I know by being honest you could have hurt your friends feelings but I think it will help her in the long run.
Just my 0.02 cents
-El mommy to B & A
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i think you should've been honest too wording it in a nice way, where you could say something like "what I've learned is that when I see _____ for example in your photo of______ this is how you can avoid that/fix that..." kinda thing kwim? Try suggesting meeting up again because there's probably tons you can learn from each other, or her from you, who knows. Like El said, it's more than just having a good camera and pushing a button and i think too, people to don't see that past that part of it. GL, hope she responds back
El, I completely 100% agree with everything you said!
I guess I was just put on the spot with her question and didn't quite know how to respond. It's easy to give CC, because those that post the pictures are ASKING for your opinion. With her question, it was almost like she was asking for praise. Maybe I should have been honest...
I did heavly point her to CM (maybe I should also suggest ILP). CM would be a bit more helpfull because she could SEE the business stuff it took and how you really need 'all your ducks in a row' (BTW, I am so annoyed with that phrase now ) Also, she can see that she should really learn her camera inside and out (she is shooting auto most of the time).
I really don't like being Debbie Downer.
Gehana, thanks for the advice. Maybe when we chat again or when we meet-up I can try out your suggestion.
I was kind of hoping that a photography forum would do the dirty work, but maybe I need to learn to step up and not be afraid of hurting feelings.
I'm way below your ladies' level experience-wise, but still I totally agree with what El & Gehana said too! If your friend really wants to learn then she'll listen to you and hopefully see that you're trying to be supportive, which is great!
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I think where my problem lies is with the fact that I sought her out. I feel like that if I start ragging on her (politely!!!) then she'll think that's the only reason why I wanted to talk to her and that I'm just trying to put her down
if she starts having issues with you 'talking shop' with her or getting feedback on her images rather than praise then maybe the issue lies with her. She may have tons of people telling her that her photos are the cats meow but none willing to tell her the truth. If someone didnt tell me the truth about the first images i posted, i wouldn't have been driven to get better and improve...isn't that what it's all about? Sometimes being a Debbie Downer (esp when they ask you) is the only way to be I hope she takes your advice about CM/ILP.
I can understand where you are coming from. I don't think you did the wrong thing b/c you were polite, but honest. It's hard b/c I sometimes wonder what other people are thinking around here, but they make money doing it. I don't know, it's frustrating, but I hope you can work something out with her and find a friend! KUP okay?
Sadie- mommy to Ruthie & Randy
That is a tough situation, especially if you want to make a friend. I do agree with what ppl are saying, but I'm like you in the way that I really wouldn't want to be the one to point out the issues. In fact, I had an acquaintance on fb who was trying to start up a business, and his pictures were no where near ready. He asked for my opinion, and I told him the truth, and ideas on how to fix the problems he was having (exposure/focus), and he never spoke to me again. So it really is a hard decision to make. I feel like what you said was really nice, so she shouldn't be put off by that. Hopefully she posts and asked on a forum, where it is easier to just be honest, because she is asking for it.