Stupid good for nothin' sun flare pain in the butt...HELP

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Stupid good for nothin' sun flare pain in the butt...HELP

I need help big time. I am probably barking up the wrong tree, but I just don't want to toss this pic untill I've tried everything. How stupid am I to have NOT seen the flare when I took the pics, but whatever, I'm a moron and I know it. Now I just need help. I took this pic and am hoping that one of ya'll, (Oh Andie, Amber, Stacy, Esti, Katie...)has way more talent than I and could step me though it. Here is the origional. No, I have not attempted the eye yet, nor have I actually edited it like the skin ANYTHING. I have strictly been working on the flare. But yeah, I atleast wanted to see if ya'll thought I was nuts for even giving it a go. Any/all feedback is appreciated. THANKS!

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Kelly, I love you, but I don't think you're going to come up with anything brilliant on this one. The sun goes right through her face, and I think it might be too tough to recover it. It's a great picture, minus that streak of sunlight, but it's not worth pouring hours into recovering it.

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That's a tough one Kelly. Whoever can fix this is a true photoshop master... Smile

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I dont think its save-able either, hon. Im so sorry! I know how frustrated you must be. I agree, if anyone can fix this, I would bow down to them as the photoshop master!

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sniffle sniffle...

***sigh***

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It is a cute shot! I think that it is probably fixable but I think that it would take hours and hours to do it well. I don't think that it is worth that kind of time. But who knows maybe someone will come on here and come up with an awesome quick fix!

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Oh...with all of you guys saying this is unsavable...you know I'm truly tempted to fix it!

Most everything is savable..but this would take some time...and sadly I'm in the middle of desprately trying to finish my Dad's wedding shots and the newborn session so I don't have the extra time.

I shouldn't even BE here! LOL!!!

ETA: It might not be that difficult with another picture of the girl without the sunflare. As long it was straight on face...with her head at least the size of her head in this photo...or bigger. If you had that...it wouldn't take hours...30 min or so.

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here's my play took about 20min...and dont mind my processing....i'm addicted to contrast lately. I still see a few areas i'm not happy with, if I had more time and a full res file I could do better.

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Wow Andie! You rock!

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I love you girls...and by your request Amber...



I know, I know, my sooc's kinda suck right now, but it was just a practice shoot...or atleast that's what I keep telling myself. The girls' mom is learning to take pics too so she was shooting with me when she wasn't in the pictures. Smile

Andie, you are awesome! Thank you so much for trying. I was almost wondering if I could duplicate the sun flare to make it look more on purpose...

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I tried to fix it Kel, but there just wasn't enough of her natural skin tone in there to do a patch job. Sorry! Cute though!

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Okay...I couldn't resist. I started before you posted the other images...so this is just from the original. Wasn't as bad as I thought...took about 40min...the flare was gone within 20 though - the rest of the time was me monkeying around with different processing and getting rid of casts etc...

Two versions...my full processing...and one with just the flare removed so you can try out your own processing.

Both are public in my flickr right now so that you can grab the original sizes.

My Processing...full edit:

Ready for your own processing: Just click on the image...then in my flickr..click all sizes and download the large size.

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HOLY SMOKES!!! HOW is it possible to be as good as you are in PP'ing?!?!?!?!?!?

I am floored.

Thank you so much Amber. Is there anyway you could step me thru it? Heck, I'll give you my number if that's easier so you can be away from the computer even. I would love to be able to produce some skills like that one day.

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What a cute photo, and awesome edits!

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Nice job Amber! What did you do? Could you give us all a hint?!

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Keep in mind...I'm using Photoshop CS4 and I don't know what is or is not available in other editing programs.

I made a hue/sat layer and chose the yellow chanel from the drop down menu. Then I selected the little eyedropper that appears in the hue/sat box and clicked on a portion of the flare. Then I selected the minus eyedropper and clicked on the girl's skin with the eyedropper. Then I moved the top slider (the hue slider) towards the right which added blue/green tones to the sunflare stripe. I adjusted the three sliders until I the sunflare was the approximate color of the girl's skin. The sunflare is almost the same color as her skirt, so anything you did will make that and some of her skin look funny so I masked out everything but the stripe.

This took care of the bulk of the problem...next I used the clone tool to completely remove the now very faded orange stripe. Just click on an easy point of reference for your start point and then clone. For example..I use the edge of something that makes a straight line as much as possible...the edge of the steps works great. CS4 is nice because it shows your selection point in the brush circle so you can easily match up the selection point with where you're going to fix.

After the stripe was gone from the steps, I started working on her skin...the first step got the stripe really close in color to her skin, but it wasn't perfect..so I used the eyedropper to pick up color from an uneffected part of her skin...I think I used her neck. Then I used the paintbrush at a low opacity on a combo of the hue, color, saturation, and luminosity blending modes as needed. Mostly I used the color mode.

Her hairline still had a bit of orange in it too, so a combo of color mode paintbrush using colors from her hair and the heal tool fixed that.

Next...I had to address the hardest part...her eyes. First, I copied the layer and did an unsharp mask at 20, 60, 0 (standard defog). I masked out everything but her eyes and left just a touch of sharpening around her hairline.

Lastly, I whitened the whites of her eyes and did a very slight eye-pop.

Forgot one thing..her eyecolor...I used the paintbrush with a blue green color on the overlay mode and painted in the iris of her left eye...and twice as much on here right eye. That completely got rid of any trace of orange in her eyes.

That's it. Then I proceded to do my regular post processing.

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Love the pics Smile Looks like they would be fun to shoot with.

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So Amber..... when do you start teaching photoshop classes.... I'm pretty sure I'd fly to the US just to learn from you!

You did an amazing job!

Oh and as for how you did it....... this is all I understood........ Keep in mind...I'm using Photoshop CS4 and I don't know what is or is not available in other editing programs

Oh and I have CS4 lol!

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Amber, that's amazing! Great job! I'm going to have to go back with your instructions and give it a go!

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wow.. great edit amber Smile you rock at photoshop!

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"cazzoom" wrote:

So Amber..... when do you start teaching photoshop classes.... I'm pretty sure I'd fly to the US just to learn from you!

You did an amazing job!

Oh and as for how you did it....... this is all I understood........ Keep in mind...I'm using Photoshop CS4 and I don't know what is or is not available in other editing programs

Oh and I have CS4 lol!

I don't know if you'd ever consider this, but I would totally pay for an airline ticket and a good few hundred dollars to take a ps class that you taught. Just a thought. Wink

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Wow, those are some amazing edits! When's the class??? Wink
Kelly - thos are so cute with the petti. I like the one with mom too.

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LOL! I'd hate for someone to pay for me to teach them the stuff I've just hacked together from reading online and trial and error. Though if anyone really wanted my help in person, I'd be glad to do it. I'm not sure I could come up with a good, sequenced curriculum...but I'd be happy to step by step people what I would do with any particular problem in specific images.

Honestly...most of what I know is trial and error. I'll see a problem and think...well, what would fix it. For example...in this image...the sunflare caused haze over the subjects eyes. What gets rid of haze? Sharpening....just do some selective sharpening. What if the haze is too strong? Grab some new eyes. They don't even necessarily need to be the same person's eyes....just about the right size and shape...and paste them in. You can use the transform tool to make them the exact right size and the liquify tool to make them the exact right shape.

My advice if you really want to get good at "fixing" photos is...if you see a tool in photoshop and don't know what it does. Select it and use it. Play with anything and everything. If you think something can't be done or fixed...think again looking sideways. LOL! Truly....just about anything can be done in Photoshop.

I love attacking an edit problem....it's really just looking at things a touch out of the box. Once you know all of the tools available in your edit program and what they're good at doing it's really not that difficult....though it can be very time consuming. I've considered opening a re-touching / restoration business...but wouldn't even begin to know how to promote it or what to charge.

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"AmberBella" wrote:

I've considered opening a re-touching / restoration business...but wouldn't even begin to know how to promote it or what to charge.

This is such an awesome idea. I think you would be inundated with work.

Even an online course I reckon you'd be fantastic at and you wouldnt have to leave home Biggrin

Go for it I say!

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I'm reading this a few days into the edit.... and I can't see how Amber Bella's turned out. (the flicker thing is blank). Could you re-post it? I"d love to see the magnificent transformation!!

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"LindieLu" wrote:

I'm reading this a few days into the edit.... and I can't see how Amber Bella's turned out. (the flicker thing is blank). Could you re-post it? I"d love to see the magnificent transformation!!

Sorry...I fixed them. They're back on page 2.

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WOW!!! That is awesome!!! Great editing job!!! Very impressive!

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Amber, all I can say is WOW. (And really cute shot Kelly!)

When you say you did your "normal post processing" can you share? You don't have to get so specific that it takes you forever to answer, but I'd love a rough idea of your normal workflow.. you are so good!

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"becoming-mom" wrote:

Amber, all I can say is WOW. (And really cute shot Kelly!)

When you say you did your "normal post processing" can you share? You don't have to get so specific that it takes you forever to answer, but I'd love a rough idea of your normal workflow.. you are so good!

I hate to totally hijack this thread...but really quickly.

When I'm working with shots of kids....or photos that I want to be bright and fun...I do a color pop. Basically, I brighten them image with curves....it's really never the same...just what the image needs. Then I fix color balance and all the blemishes....I know lots and lots of photoshop gurus tell you to do the blemishes last, but I sometimes like to try out several different effects, so I like to do that 2nd thing so I don't have to do it more than once. Then I do a color pop. There are several different kinds. Sometimes I just want some subtle pop....so I just do an overlay layer at a low opacity. Sometimes I'll use an action or 3....all tweaked to my liking and seriously reduced in opacity. I'm a fan of enhanced reality, so I find almost all actions are way too strong for my tastes.

My favorite actions that I use for color enhancement/pop. Nichole Van's outdoor and indoor color pop turned WAY down. I really like Katie's Fun In the Sun at about 30% for some bright soft color...though I never seem to use this one alone..only as one layer amongst lots of other tweaks and I often will change the color of the fill layer. I will sometimes use TRA's beautify action to warm up and soften the shadows...again turned way way down. I use as few or as many actions, or layers of my own to get the image the way I want it.

One of my new favorite techniques that I've discovered while processing my recent newborn shoot is a gradient map layer of dark brown and light brown with the soft light blending mode. Turned down to about 20-30%. This brings a richness to the skin and helps define it while brightening it and reducing red at the same time. I lurve it.

I almost always finish with a (hopefully) subtle vignette or burning of the background to bring more focus to the subject.

To sum up...I'm not sure what my "normal processing" is as I do so many different things depending on the photo I'm editing. I just look at the image and think...what does this picture need to make it like the one in my head...and I try to get it there. My workflow is still constantly in flux as I try to find my "voice".

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:bigarmhug: hyjack away. ;)I LOVE learning from you!!!