Sunset photo and question...

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Sunset photo and question...

I took this a bit earlier and I opened it in ACR. I noticed that the sky was a bit blown. I tried fixing it but no matter what I would do, the rest of the photo would start looking horrible. Dark and not what I wanted. I tried decreasing saturation and vibrance but that only did so much. I finally just edited it the way I thought was "OK" and the sky is still a bit blown. Mostly the brightest part, the yellow area. I know it looks ok now but it is blown. How in the world do you prevent that from happening? I tried using the brush but it just looked horrible the way I tried doing it. Think it's ok to have blown areas in a photo depending on what it is? I've always been curious about this. Smile

I took this out of my kids bedroom window. I opened it for a few minutes to take the shot. It was freezing cold! I had a heater by me though Blum 3 I just wanted to capture the colors in the sky! So pretty!
ISO 500, f/5.0, SS 1/250, 75mm

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I don't have any answers for your questions, because I am horrible for blown skies but just wanted to say this picture is AMAZING!
So beautiful! wow!

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are you getting it printed? if not, then don't worry about it. if it's fully blown (all colors), then the blown part will print white. if it's blown only in a certain channel, then you lose detail in that channel. but it's the sky, and so the amount of detail isn't really so important (IMO, that is). I blow sky portions on a regular basis, and it doesn't bother me. mainly because I'm not having them printed, but also because the colors and details I want to capture are not in the blown area.

that being said, I do have a 10x20 printed photo that has blown sky in the background and you can't even tell.

what happens if you process twice in ACR? once for the blown sky and once for everything else. can you process the blown part to recover it, or is it hopelessly blown? if it's recoverable, you can always mask in that portion as a duplicate layer.

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nope not hopelessly blown. Smile here's the sooc. I just resized and sharpened for web in ACR. It's just that...people go on and on about certain parts of photos being blown. I usually try to have little to no blown spots in my pictures but sometimes I gotta break those rules because I just struggle to get rid of the blown parts. I'm not too good at using the brush in ACR. I just think it takes up too much time and usually the part I'm trying to recover is an in area that doesn't really matter (background, other objects surrounding subject). I mean, for example. A portrait of a child sitting in a park with the sky blown behind him/her but he/she is perfectly exposed. I mean, how does one go about recovering the sky without spending way too much time on that photo? Smile Just trying to understand when it's ok to blow certain parts of a photo and when it's not ok. KWIM? here's the sooc though. It's not so bad really. Not to me anyway. I love the colors so much better in this one too. But it's just a channel that's been blown. Not everything.


Sunset SOOC by loidaeg, on Flickr

the one I edited for comparison just so you won't have to scroll up and down so much Blum 3

Sunday Sunset by loidaeg, on Flickr

Not much of a difference.

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Um....it's not blown. At least not according to my photoshop.

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Thanks Amber Smile Maybe I shouldn't trust the "highlight clipping warning" in ACR? I usually go by that lol Maybe I shouldn't so much huh? I have lots to learn!

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bizarre...maybe you have yours set to warn that you're clipping at a lower level. I know that you can do that in photoshop....maybe you can in ACR too.

I double checked it in lightroom...and you are actually far from blowing anything in the sooc version according to my programs.

I check for clipping in Photoshop by creating a level layer, then in the levels box, click on the right slider (the one that controls highlights) while holding down the Alt button on a PC (maybe ctrl button on mac?) and any blown areas will show up either as white if it's completely blown, or as the color that is blown.

You can check for loss of detail in blacks by doing the same thing on the blacks slider on the left hand side.

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Oh cool! Smile That's awesome. I didn't know that! I love learning new things. lol

here's a screenshot of what i'm seeing in ACR.

screenshotphoto by loidaeg, on Flickr

btw is it normal that my photos are usually at 240ppi out of camera? completely different question but always been curious about that one too.

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OKAY...I've done some research...and I'm so glad I did. WOW, this is good to know about my Lightroom. Guess I should be careful.

http://www.getcolormanaged.com/color-management/clipwarninglr/

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hmm interesting... so I take it you use a wide gamut screen? I have no idea what is meant by wide gamut screen. I have lots to learn when it comes to color management and all that Smile So does this mean that the red channel is indeed blown in my picture? I'm going to have to do some research of my own.

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Certainly could be. I don't know why it shows up as okay in my Photoshop...but I suppose that will require more research. UGH! It never ends.

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I'm sorry Amber! I do know how that feels though. So many bumps along the way to becoming a better photographer Smile I have so much to learn, I feel like I'll never get it right and then once I get something right something else comes along lol

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"jamie81" wrote:

I don't have any answers for your questions, because I am horrible for blown skies but just wanted to say this picture is AMAZING!
So beautiful! wow!

Thank You! Smile

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we're always learning. Wink

wide gamut monitors display a wider range of colors than other monitors (and more than prints). so you can see more in the monitor, but it won't print the same as what you see if you're viewing all of your colors. and that's actually why I work only in sRGB now, because that's what I print.

off to check Amber's link.

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Wow, interesting thread! Loida, that is an amazing photo. *jawdrop*

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oh....and to answer the question...no, I don't use a wide gamut monitor. I guess Lightroom just has a "wide gamut" histogram....even though I have it set to use sRGB. Seems like that should be customizable to me. Sad

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Amber, that's very strange. I hope you figure it out!

back to my original question though...How would I go about preventing a blown channel sooc without underexposing? I always seem to blow a channel. Also, is it possible to fix a blown channel in PS? I took one of my sunset images and I *think* I fixed the blown channel with levels but I can be wrong.

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I can't answer any of your questions about blown channels. But I wanted to say WOW that is a BEAUTIFUL photo!

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This thread kinda has my head spinning, but I am learning a lot! Thanks for asking and thanks for all who are answering!

BTW ... it's a beautiful sunset! TFS!

GiGi

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"acarbo99" wrote:

This thread kinda has my head spinning, but I am learning a lot! Thanks for asking and thanks for all who are answering!

BTW ... it's a beautiful sunset! TFS!

GiGi

Definite head spinning going on here too, but I love the opportunity to learn...and that photo is gorgeous!