breastfeeding issues?

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Starflyr's picture
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breastfeeding issues?

Anybody else having stubborn BF issues?

I knew something was "off" in the hospital, but the lactation consultant there blew me off and tried to tell me it was "normal". Um, yeah, Im a pedi AND I nursed my son for over a year...this wasnt normal, but whatever. I had a friend who is an IBCLC come to the house Saturday to evaluate after we got home.

She was tongue-tied (grade 2/3, posterior) and I got my partner to clip it for us on Monday, since I was in incredible amounts of pain and was bleeding after feeding her. It got some better, but not all the way. Im not bleeding anymore, but I still feel like she's rubbing me raw when she nurses (unless I get lucky).

Went to see another LC today (I was at the hospital I work at, getting Cassandra's PKU done and went to show her off...and got a drive by consult...)

She's got the mobility she needs in her tongue since the clipping, but she's being lazy with her latch. She keeps wanting to nurse like she's sucking on a straw, stripping the milk with the FRONT of her tongue, which HURTS.

The hospital LC (different hospital than where she was born) gave me a few exercises on "tongue retraining" to do with her to (hopefully!) get her latch to improve. She also recommended using the Soothie pacifier more than we have been to train her in correct tongue placement while sucking (she's not very fussy, so I haven't been giving it to her at all.)

I really hope this latch thing gets all the way better soon. I don't like practically screaming in pain every time she tries to nurse - initial latch is KILLER, but then it keeps hurting unless she's managed to do it right, and even then she goes shallow like every other suck. night is the worst, since I have a hard time seeing her lips and cheek to see how much intervention I need to do to get her to a better latch.

in good news, though, I weighed her today, and we're 2.5 oz above birth weight. Hello, letting her wake ME up instead of the other way around!

Star

Joined: 12/21/09
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Yikes! Sorry it's awful for you right now.

Have you peeked to see if she has a lip tie too possibly? After I tried for four months to successfully breastfeed, and spent 5 1/2 months pumping for him, I discovered at around 11 months that I think he has a lip tie.

The pain was so incredibly excruciating, it was worse than giving birth.

Looks like you have some great lactation connections though and it should get sorted out soon! Smile

Starflyr's picture
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She has a very minor lip tie - not enough to justify $500 to get it lasered (my partner doesnt fix lip ties). And she CAN latch well, she does way better on the right than the left, and Im really not sure why. But such is life. She's still getting plenty (obviously!)

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This is the same issue I had with DD at first - she was latching on fine, but not sucking right, and it tore me up! I was blistered and bleeding after the first couple of days, and it was extremely painful. We also had to "retrain" her how to suck, basically I would stick my finger in her mouth right before latching her on, to push her tongue down, let her suck for a couple seconds, and then pop her on while she was in that zone. It worked - she learned how to suck properly, and we went on to bf for almost a year exclusively, but I did have to deal with the toe-curling pain for about 6 weeks until I healed. Sucks, but doable Sad

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So sorry you're having issues! I hope you can get it worked out soon. It is so stinking painful when they don't latch/suck correctly!

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Ouch. Sorry to hear you're having so many bf issues. I had a really hard time bf the first time and I'm hoping not to have a repeat situation but I'm still very nervous. I hope you are able to resolve all the issues soon and that bf gets easier on both of you.

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I am sorry BF'ing has been so rough so far. Hopefully, you can figure out how to get her to latch correctly soon.

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I am soo sorry your going thru this.
hope it gets better!
:openarms:

LizzyLaw06's picture
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we had a rough start. addisyn was tongue tied so she had to get used to things after she was clipped. i had cracked and very sore nips through about day 8ish, those are better. she has a very small latch. I still have to wait for her to be pretty much crying before i try to approach her or she doesn't open big enough and hurts me, let alone she is a clamper too, so it really hurts when she doesn't open big enough. but once she's latched it much better than it started. hang in there

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Have you ever looked into a nipple shield? (By Medela @ Target stores) I had the same exact issue with nursing my DS2. Oh the pain! Until I tried the shield. What a godsend for nursing issues. My LO was trained to nurse in about 2-3 weeks and I could heal while he was 'training'. Hope things get better for you!

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Did anyone recommend a nipple sheild? The fact that it is a bit more firm than your breast alone can really help with keeping the tounge in the correct position. many babies with tounge tie learn in the first week or so to hump the tounge in a funny way that is really painfull. The pressure that the shield applies helps to correct it. That and using your finger/soothie for exercise is also great advice.

Hope it gets better soon.

ekcanada's picture
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Kyla can't handle my flow. This in turn makes her latch really bad. I have been just dealing with it but maybe I should look into something.

I hope things improve!

Starflyr's picture
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Thanks for the support ladies Smile

I have tried a nipple shield; she refuses to nurse if I am using it, unfortunately.

It's improving, at least. Now I have to defeat the all night clusterfeeding...

Str

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I went and saw the LC. They can't really help me. I have overactive/forceful letdown and I'm doing everything right to combat it. I know how to get her in a deep latch (but often it takes a few tries) and she likes to suck on JUST the nipple. We've also found out that my nipples are longer than her mouth is, so when I get her on deep, then my nipples hurt less, but she bites down where the nipple meets the areola every time she swallows. :eek:

It'll be a few weeks still of me either being in pain from giving up on the deep latch or until her mouth is long enough to not bite me.

But we are a perfect match.. I'm stubborn and she's patient. Smile

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Nell! Ohmigosh, OW! That sounds painful!

Star

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And it gets better..... last night I noticed what looked like a tiny blister that popped on her bottom lip... so I was thinking she's curling her lip under... she's started making a lot of clicking sounds and she keeps losing latch.... today, more little white spots on her bottom lip... and nursing her BURNS like mad!!!

She has thrush. I don't seen anything on the inside of her mouth that would indicate thrush, but the lower lip def looks like thrush pics online and the fact that it burns when she eats. :ouch:

We are heading to Montana tomorrow to visit FIL. I just called my doc and I'm hoping they take my word for it and give me a cream or something that I can just pick up from the pharmacy without them trying to see me. I'm in so much pain right now I can't wait much longer. I can only imagine the pain she's in. No wonder the binky seems to be her worst friend right now. Sad

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Gentian Violet is a great OTC thrush treatment. You might have to call around to see if anybody has any in stock, but around here CVS usually has it behind the pharmacy counter, you just have to ask.

You HAVE to treat thrush in both you and LO at the same time or you'll just end up giving to each other over and over again.

Once a day, dip a qtip in it and let your LO suck on it, then "paint" the remainder of her mouth that isnt purple. Do this for 5 days. Also once daily, "paint" your nipples with the gentian violet. It will make you a little more sensitive than normal, but it works better than Nystatin, which is the standard Rx treatment for thrush.

Be careful when you use it; it's a purple dye and it will STAIN EVERYTHING. Rubbing alcohol gets it off of counters and stuff, but it wont wash out of clothes. We always did it at bathtime in our house when Brayden had thrush.

Good luck!

Star

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"Starflyr" wrote:

Gentian Violet is a great OTC thrush treatment. You might have to call around to see if anybody has any in stock, but around here CVS usually has it behind the pharmacy counter, you just have to ask.

You HAVE to treat thrush in both you and LO at the same time or you'll just end up giving to each other over and over again.

Once a day, dip a qtip in it and let your LO suck on it, then "paint" the remainder of her mouth that isnt purple. Do this for 5 days. Also once daily, "paint" your nipples with the gentian violet. It will make you a little more sensitive than normal, but it works better than Nystatin, which is the standard Rx treatment for thrush.

Be careful when you use it; it's a purple dye and it will STAIN EVERYTHING. Rubbing alcohol gets it off of counters and stuff, but it wont wash out of clothes. We always did it at bathtime in our house when Brayden had thrush.

Good luck!

Star

Oh good heavens I don't ever want to hear about gentian violet ever again!!!!! LOL
My 13 month old is having what I think is yeast on his cloth diapers.... so I've been applying GV to his man-junk. Well.... yesterday he spilled half the bottle all over his dresser and carpeting.... UGH!!!! My hands are covered in it from cleaning it, and the floor isn't completely done yet.

PS - after about 20 or so washes, it does come out of fabric. Wink I had it on some items and it eventually did come out.... after about 6 months of regular use and laundry. Wink

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oh my gosh! That sounds like my worst nightmare!! I hate stains like that. In our house, we strip the kids for spaghetti night until they are close to 4 years old. We NEVER play with playdough and I have to force myself to let them color with crayons or markers cause I really hate messes. lol

BUT, it does sound like less work than nystatin... I'll have to find out if any place here has it.