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Didn't expect....

30!!!!!! They got 30 eggs at my ER this morning and they were still counting when I left so the nurse said don't be surprised if the final number is 32ish. Yahoo I was soooooooo surprised. I was hoping for 20 but, hey, I'll take 32ish. We will get a call tomorrow by 12 telling us how many fertilized. I'm really excited now that the hard part is over.

As far as the actually procedure, it definitely wasn't enjoyable, but I got through it. The worst part was after the first ovary, the right I think, and the moved to the left my right side was cramping incredibly bad. I almost cried at that point, but it passed after 1-2 minutes. Because I had so many eggs, it lasted longer than I thought, the RE said there were actually a few more he could have got but they were at a weird angle and I was pretty much done with the pain so we stopped. I knew it wasn't going to be comfortable, and it definitely could have been way worse, so I was happy in the end that I didn't request anesthesia. The narcotics have already worn off so I feel clear headed and as of right now I only have mild cramping. I've already got in a short nap and had Smoothie King for lunch so I can't complain Blum 3

They are concerned about OHSS because they got so many eggs so the RE prescribed a suppository that I have to start taking tonight and try to help with that. I'm also drinking lots of fluids and resting. Start the PIO shots tonight but after today I feel like a champ who can handle anything so I'm not nervous. Thank you ladies sooooo much for all your kind words. Can't wait to update you as we hear more in the next few days!!!

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So glad to hear things went well Meg. Wow! 30 eggs...that's amazing! I'm glad that you gave some insight into how the procedure went. I've been reading some other forums and the ladies were pretty vague about the pain factor during the ER. I think they didn't want to scare me...hehe. But I'd rather know than not know. I'm not sure yet if my clinic does general anesthesia or just local with pain meds. But after my laparoscopy and the anesthesia with that I'm nervous about the recovery. I didn't handle it well...hehe.

I'm glad things went so well for you! Smile

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Holy cow...30 eggs!!! That's awesome. I'm glad they are taking OHSS precautions. I was given some type of medication used for cancer pts after my 3rd ER since I did have symptoms of OHSS after my 2nd cycle even though I had only 6 eggs. Can't wait to hear your fert. report!

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Wow! I would definitely say you responded to the meds. Hopefully you will never have to go through the process again. Hope it is smooth sailing from here.

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Oh my gosh! Didn't they think they saw 13 or so on US? Crazy how off they can be on their estimates sometimes. Glad they are taking precautions for OHSS.

So far so good for you....thinking good thoughts for fertilization. Keep us posted.

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Well.... I came down off of the high of yesterday pretty quickly. Got the fertilization report today and I'm pretty crushed. It's not at all what I expected. I have no idea what's normal but the numbers just feel really low to me.

So if you don't remember, we are part of an egg freezing study. Of the 32 eggs retreived, only 20 were mature enough to use. 6 were used as the control (so they were not frozen, ICSI performed) and only 1 fertilized. 14 eggs were frozen then thawed and ICSI was perfomed and 5 fertilized. We have no MF issues, we just did ICSI because it was a requirement of the study. Since we were using ICSI, from what I've been reading, I was hoping for around 70% fertilization but we got about 30%. I have no idea why and I hate now knowing.

I called the lab to ask a few questions because they called when I was teaching so I couldn't speak with them. Of course I had to leave a message because they are in a proceudre so I am staring at my phone hoping they will call back soon. I know they probably won't have the answers for why fertilization seems so low- but I feel like I need to ask becuase it's driving me crazy. I'm sucking it up at work today, though I feel bloated and terrible.

ET is scheudeled for Saturday, it will be a 3 day, so I'm thinking I will take tomorrow off work so I can just relax and not think about work or anything. In all my free moments today all I can do is read online about what is "typcial" in my age range with ICSI and I keep getting discouraged so I really need to stop. Sorry for the rant, I just had such expectations and this wasn't the result I was hoping for. I just pray the embies develop well and most of them make it to Saturday....

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:bigarmhug: I know how crushing news like that can be. Just remember it only takes one!! Try to stay away from the internet (that I do). There is nothing typical or normal in IVF. Everyone responds so differently to things. Try to stay positive. Sounds like a good idea to take tomorrow off work and get your body and mind prepared for the ET on Saturday. Are you taking time off after the ET? Does your RE require bedrest? It's nice that your ET is on Saturday so you have the weekend at home.

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:bigarmhug:

I know nothing from experience but I am thinking about you and hope everything goes well on Saturday.

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I'm sorry that the fert report wasn't what you were expecting. I agree that it only takes one. Glad that you are able to take tomorrow off. Continue to be kind to yourself! It's hard to remember that in the IVF world quality beats quantity every time.

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I'll be praying for you! Try to just relax and do something fun to get your mind off of things.

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So sorry you didn't get the results you were looking for. I know from my experience my issue was egg quality. My last ER I had 13 eggs and only 4 fertilized. My RE said that it is not about how many you have it's about the quality of them. So you might want to ask the RE at ET about the quality of the eggs. Ours were all done through ICSI and Assisted Hatching, who knows how many would have fertilized without ICSI since we have male factor as well. I took 2 days off work on my first ET... I personally did 2 days strict bedrest. It was for my own peace of mind, not because the RE told me. Good luck and yes it only takes 1!!!!

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:bighug: Like everyone says..it only takes one but I can completely understand your disappointment and frustration. Like Mari said about quality...if the quality is great.. then one is enough!! T & P. KUP on if you get a call back and more info!

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Thanks so much for all your kind words. Right after I got the call, I was pretty disappointed but I am feeling better now. You all are right, quality is so much more important. Just praying that we get at least one good quality embie on Saturday and I will be happy. Well... two would be even better Wink I guess I always thought we would have a few left over to freeze, but as long as we have strong ones to transfer I won't be too devastated that we don't have any to freeze.

I am glad I decided to take the day off tomorrow. I'm just going to relax, maybe go out to a movie by myself, and try to keep my mind off things. I don't know if I will take time off work next week. RE wants 48 hours of bed rest so if I have the ET on Saturday, I will have all day Saturday and Sunday to rest then hopefully back to work Monday. I have been trying not to read too much online, it's hard though!!

Thanks again, ladies. Lab is supposed to call around 10am tomorrow morning to give us an update on how the embies are doing. I will keep you all updated!

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Meg- that is definitely less than I would expect with ICSI. Hopefully it will be enough. I think you still have decent chances. Keep your chin up. This whole process is so stressful. Hope you find some peace while you await news.

Tiffany

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Try to enjoy the day today to yourself. Going back to work on Monday might be the best for you to keep your mind occupied. I'll be looking forward to your update after you get the call from your clinic.

FWIW...I did ICSI also and didn't get great fert. rates either. ICSI helps the eggs fertilize but it doesn't help the embies divide. Sometimes they need a little help hatching. On my 2nd cycle they were going to do assisted hatching if needed.

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I will be thinking about you tomorrow! A movie by yourself sounds fantastic! In fact, I might just do that myself...

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Got the report today and I feel that is very positive. Don't know what the typical grading system is, but the lab we use grades from 1-5, 1 being the best.

The 1 control embryo is a 2 cell grade 1. Of the 5 embryos that came from the frozen eggs, 2 did not divide over night. 1 is a 2 cell grade 1 and 2 embryos are a 2 cell grade 2. So basically, we have 4 good embryos from the 6 that fertilized.

So, hopefully, we will have 3 embryos to chose from tomorrow (as the embryos that came from the frozen eggs are priority to transfer for the study). Not sure the number we are going to transfer, we have to consult with our RE. I'm happy with this. Like so many of you said, it's about quality over quantity and we have 3 good quality embies so far so I'm pleased with that. ET is tomorrow morning!!!!

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So you are doing a 3 day transfer, right? Hopefully there will not be any more drop out between now and then. How many embryos are you hoping to transfer?

Tiffany

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Sounds like you have some strong embies!!! Good luck tomorrow. I'll be looking forward to an update from you.

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Continued t&Ps. KUP.

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Good luck today!

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:goodluck:

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So we transferred 2 high grade 4 cell embies this morning. I was hoping they would be 6-8 cell by now but RE didn't seem too concerned so I'm trying not to worry and read a bunch online about it. We transferred early in the morning so he said he would expect them to be 6-8 if the had 6-8 more hours. I'm telling myself the embies are back where they are supposed so what better place to grow, right?

The RE was comfortable transferring 3 but DH and I didn't want that. We are completely comfortable with the idea of twins but triplets scared us a little bit. I'm proud we stuck to our plan rather than giving in in the moment in hopes it would help our chances. Now we are home, resting and watching lots of college football! Thanks for your t&ps... Not sure how much I'll be around over our 2ww be because I'm going to try to stay busy. We have our first beta on Sept. 19th!

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Good luck. I think it is wise that you stay busy.

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Congrats on being PUPO!!! Sounds like you transferred some beautiful embies. Update us periodically on here. We can keep you busy :). Are you going to POAS before your beta? It's amazing how fast those embies can divide. On my 2nd IVF they split and turned into a morula within the 2hrs it took us to drive to the clinic for the transfer. Your body is the best place for them to be.

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Tiffany- Thanks!

Meg- Thanks.. your post made me feel better! I haven't decided if I will POAS before the beta or not. I have two FRER tests sitting in my bathroom cupboard so I suspect it will be difficult not to test before my first beta, but at the same time, I don't want to be discouraged days before my beta if they are in fact negative. I'd rather have a solid answer once rather than wonder for a couple days.

We are trying to be positive without getting too hopeful, which many of you know, is a difficult mix. I cannot wait until tomorrow when I can go to work- being on bed rest only lends itself to constant contemplation about this whole process!

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I not a huge a POAS pusher. I didn't on my 2nd cycle but on my 3rd I did because I just knew it didn't work. I was really busy helping my sister with her wedding during the 2WW of my 2nd cycle. I'm sure you'll have days or moments where you felt it work and then times where you are sure it didn't. Completely normal.

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There were days when I felt better about it. There were days I was sure it didnt work. I didnt POAS until I had sx unmistakeable for me for pregnancy. Namely, I HAD to take a nap at 4pm and I am usually an energizer bunny. It was easier for me to know I did all I could regardless of the outcome. It is not like the worrying ends when/if there is a positive pregnancy test (for me at least). What are your plans for the next 2 weeks?

Tiffany

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Another reason why I didn't POAS my 2nd cycle was because I wanted to be, or at least think I was, pregnant for as long as possible. I really didn't even want to go in for my beta because I knew it'd all be over if it was negative.

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Meg - It is funny how we all deal with the stress of a 2ww differently. It was always easier for me to assume I wasn't and start to make plans like I wasn't. It was too much of a let down if I thought or acted like I was...

Tiffany

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Yeah- I've definitely had all of these trains of thought. I want to believe I'm pregnant for as long as possible, as you said Meg, but I also want to POAS because the not knowing will be killing me. The other thing I thought of is on the actual day of my beta, I will go early in the AM and the clinic usually calls with lab results early afternoon when I'm not with DH. For past tests, it didn't matter because it was just estradiol levels, but now the results are huge. I kind of want to POAS a the day before and day of my beta before I leave for work so I'm with DH and we can be together to either celebrate or prepare mentally for the sad reality of it not working. I don't want to be a big mess at work, especially alone, so it might be better for my mental state if we POAS that morning.

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There are so many emotions of IVF. We should write a book on it. I can understand wanting to POAS right before so you know what news to expect. Lots of women have done that. My 3rd cycle I POAS part way through and then again on the morning of. I just knew that cycle didn't work out though so the news wasn't as hard for me. How have you been feeling? Are you back to work today?

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Sounds like you transferred two good embryos! Thinking good thoughts for you. The wait is sooooo hard! I hope being back at work is keeping you busy now.

I POAS with my first IVF starting pretty early because I wanted to test out the trigger. Which I did, then no line ever reappeared after that. So I knew fully that my beta would be negative. With round 2, I knew when the trigger would be out so I didn't test early. I knew for sure I would test before my blood test though, because I knew I couldn't bear the nurse's phone call without knowing first myself. In the end, my doctor tested my HCG early, without me knowing, at 5DP5DT, which saved me from my decision of when to start POAS.

I think if you are going to be at work, alone, when you get the phone call, it would probably be a good idea to test at least that morning so you know what to expect. Hopefully it will be just early good news!

I hope you are busy and distracted with work, and feeling pretty good!